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	<title>Comments on: Beltram&#8217;s New Gig &#8211; The Piedmont Republican Club</title>
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		<title>By: Brad Hampton</title>
		<link>http://theconservativist.com/2009/10/06/beltrams-new-gig-the-piedmont-republican-club/comment-page-1/#comment-9150</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad Hampton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 15:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the first poster, there are some similarities between the ouster of leadership in this decade and in the 1970&#039;s-1980&#039;s.  Personally, I think the influence in Greenville and Spartanburg politics by BJU is on the way out, because I think people slowly are beginning to realize that true practical Christianity is not even remotely similar to the way BJU wishes it to be done.  Not to mention the fact that the new chairman attends a church in Liberty, SC which I am all to familiar with, only because of their ridiculous legalistic approaches to Christianity (my guess is they&#039;re influenced heavily by BJU practices).  For example, as recently as a few years ago (I can only speak to this time frame, and they still have the same pastor), it was forbidden for any church member to watch television, forbidden for men to have long hair, forbidden for women to wear pants, and on and on.  If you did something they didn&#039;t like (i.e. the leadership of the church), you were &quot;preached to&quot; that Sunday in front of the entire congregation.  Anyhow, I&#039;ve been chasing rabbits and getting off topic, but I simply wanted to address the point in the article that mentions BJU influence, and it seems that the new chairman will try to hang on (for BJU) some sort of influence for the party, at least for now.  As for Beltram, I never cared for him either, so I&#039;d be all for someone quite different that Ryggs or Beltram in the next chairmanship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the first poster, there are some similarities between the ouster of leadership in this decade and in the 1970&#8242;s-1980&#8242;s.  Personally, I think the influence in Greenville and Spartanburg politics by BJU is on the way out, because I think people slowly are beginning to realize that true practical Christianity is not even remotely similar to the way BJU wishes it to be done.  Not to mention the fact that the new chairman attends a church in Liberty, SC which I am all to familiar with, only because of their ridiculous legalistic approaches to Christianity (my guess is they&#8217;re influenced heavily by BJU practices).  For example, as recently as a few years ago (I can only speak to this time frame, and they still have the same pastor), it was forbidden for any church member to watch television, forbidden for men to have long hair, forbidden for women to wear pants, and on and on.  If you did something they didn&#8217;t like (i.e. the leadership of the church), you were &#8220;preached to&#8221; that Sunday in front of the entire congregation.  Anyhow, I&#8217;ve been chasing rabbits and getting off topic, but I simply wanted to address the point in the article that mentions BJU influence, and it seems that the new chairman will try to hang on (for BJU) some sort of influence for the party, at least for now.  As for Beltram, I never cared for him either, so I&#8217;d be all for someone quite different that Ryggs or Beltram in the next chairmanship.</p>
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		<title>By: Earl Capps</title>
		<link>http://theconservativist.com/2009/10/06/beltrams-new-gig-the-piedmont-republican-club/comment-page-1/#comment-8664</link>
		<dc:creator>Earl Capps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 20:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt, I&#039;m not disputing what you saw when he was chair. LaDonna and others are good and trusted friends of mine.  But if you&#039;re right about the breakfast club being to pump his ego, he&#039;ll find out that - if run decently - it&#039;s far more work than glory.

If it becomes all about him, it will 1) be an insufficient launching pad for anyone&#039;s ambitions, and 2) the group won&#039;t last long.

In my GOP breakfast club, Ron, I and the other board members put in a lot of work to put together informative programs and we never really get much attention - but our goal is to promote ideas and Republican candidates, and we do pretty good at it.  I&#039;ve worked with Rick to help him get started, and I hope that&#039;s his &quot;new direction&quot;.

If it&#039;s not, then that&#039;s his loss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt, I&#8217;m not disputing what you saw when he was chair. LaDonna and others are good and trusted friends of mine.  But if you&#8217;re right about the breakfast club being to pump his ego, he&#8217;ll find out that &#8211; if run decently &#8211; it&#8217;s far more work than glory.</p>
<p>If it becomes all about him, it will 1) be an insufficient launching pad for anyone&#8217;s ambitions, and 2) the group won&#8217;t last long.</p>
<p>In my GOP breakfast club, Ron, I and the other board members put in a lot of work to put together informative programs and we never really get much attention &#8211; but our goal is to promote ideas and Republican candidates, and we do pretty good at it.  I&#8217;ve worked with Rick to help him get started, and I hope that&#8217;s his &#8220;new direction&#8221;.</p>
<p>If it&#8217;s not, then that&#8217;s his loss.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 01:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post!  There certainly is some uncanny similarities between the Piedmont Republican Club of 2009 with the one from 1976 (including the fact that Beltram was ousted by a BJU employee).

A lot of us who have worked for years in the county party with Rick Beltram can afford to be a little quicker to judge his motives.  Everyone to a fault that I have talked to about this has pretty much said the same thing: that this breakfast club is basically a way to feed Rick&#039;s massive ego.  That&#039;s what a few of us witnessed when we attended one of the meetings.  

Instead of accepting defeat and working within the county party structure that was supposedly such an important part of his life, he&#039;d rather start his own group where he can be the &quot;top dog&quot;.  Some people just need to be the center of attention and use a political title to feel so self-important, and it&#039;s pretty clear that&#039;s what Rick is about--just ask around.

Had the party not honored him wit that award, he would not have even been at the Bronze Elephant...and it&#039;s obvious how appreciative he is from that sorry Facebook comment of his.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post!  There certainly is some uncanny similarities between the Piedmont Republican Club of 2009 with the one from 1976 (including the fact that Beltram was ousted by a BJU employee).</p>
<p>A lot of us who have worked for years in the county party with Rick Beltram can afford to be a little quicker to judge his motives.  Everyone to a fault that I have talked to about this has pretty much said the same thing: that this breakfast club is basically a way to feed Rick&#8217;s massive ego.  That&#8217;s what a few of us witnessed when we attended one of the meetings.  </p>
<p>Instead of accepting defeat and working within the county party structure that was supposedly such an important part of his life, he&#8217;d rather start his own group where he can be the &#8220;top dog&#8221;.  Some people just need to be the center of attention and use a political title to feel so self-important, and it&#8217;s pretty clear that&#8217;s what Rick is about&#8211;just ask around.</p>
<p>Had the party not honored him wit that award, he would not have even been at the Bronze Elephant&#8230;and it&#8217;s obvious how appreciative he is from that sorry Facebook comment of his.</p>
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		<title>By: WorkingTommyC</title>
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		<dc:creator>WorkingTommyC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 01:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll say &quot;good riddance!&quot; then!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll say &#8220;good riddance!&#8221; then!</p>
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		<title>By: Earl Capps</title>
		<link>http://theconservativist.com/2009/10/06/beltrams-new-gig-the-piedmont-republican-club/comment-page-1/#comment-8580</link>
		<dc:creator>Earl Capps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 23:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m about to do something that I&#039;ve never done before - say something nice about Rick Beltram.

I&#039;ve attended his group&#039;s breakfast club meeting, as a guest speaker.  Given the issues that him and I have had over the years, it would have been easy for me to say &quot;good riddance&quot; to him, but since he had been talking with me about my GOP breakfast club in Summerville well before his ouster as county Chair, I decided I&#039;d give him the benefit of a doubt.

As far as I have seen, his breakfast club is open to one and all, so my advice is to go check it out and even make a regular presence.  That&#039;s the best way to know if it&#039;s just a group of Republicans hanging out for breakfast or something more.

But in my years of political experience, I&#039;ve never seen a breakfast club take over a county party.  I think the name is coincidental and that Rick is finding a new way to get back into the kind of informative grass-roots organizing that our party needs.

Sure he&#039;s a bit rough-edged and his facebook comment may not have been the best way to thank the party, but don&#039;t be so quick to judge the guy&#039;s motives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m about to do something that I&#8217;ve never done before &#8211; say something nice about Rick Beltram.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve attended his group&#8217;s breakfast club meeting, as a guest speaker.  Given the issues that him and I have had over the years, it would have been easy for me to say &#8220;good riddance&#8221; to him, but since he had been talking with me about my GOP breakfast club in Summerville well before his ouster as county Chair, I decided I&#8217;d give him the benefit of a doubt.</p>
<p>As far as I have seen, his breakfast club is open to one and all, so my advice is to go check it out and even make a regular presence.  That&#8217;s the best way to know if it&#8217;s just a group of Republicans hanging out for breakfast or something more.</p>
<p>But in my years of political experience, I&#8217;ve never seen a breakfast club take over a county party.  I think the name is coincidental and that Rick is finding a new way to get back into the kind of informative grass-roots organizing that our party needs.</p>
<p>Sure he&#8217;s a bit rough-edged and his facebook comment may not have been the best way to thank the party, but don&#8217;t be so quick to judge the guy&#8217;s motives.</p>
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