The ignorance IS in the people who mistakenly interpret the verses… not in the verses themselves.

Those ingorant people do evil things.

Self proclaimed Christians do that. Self proclaimed muslims do that.

The difference is you see islam as an evil religion, rather then applying the exact same logic you apply to christianity to their beliefs. You are upset when I use bible verses out of context, but call Islam evil when I do the same sort of thing with verses from the Qu’Ran.

If you hadn’t noticed… I’m not calling EITHER religion evil. All I’ve said is that there are christian zealots who misinterpret the bible and believe that gives them the right to commit terrorist acts… just like their are islamic extremists who do the same thing with the Qu’Ran. I’m not arguing “for” or “against” either religion… I’m pointing out both have pasages that can be taken out of context as justification for evil.

Ron… despite you trying to turn this into a discussion about me and my faith… I’m simply not going to go there. I’m very comfortable with myself and my relationship with god, and frankly I don’t really care how you feel about it. I don’t believe you have any business judging it one way or another.

Oh… and if you want to stop a discussion… stop posting. Trying to get the last word is a sure way to make sure a discussion continues.

You can’t seem to grasp the fact that someone using the passages I referenced from the Qu’Ran is ignoring the true basis of their religion just as much as someone using the passages I referenced from the Bible.

You seem to think that the Christian extremist doing that is evil and not a true Christian… while the Islamic extremist is evil and following an evil religion.

I can only guess ignorance drives your statements in this… but you seem more comfortable with a completely hateful viewpoint that ignores the actual facts rather then learning that you might not know a thing about what you are talking about.

Now as for the Old Testament not counting… I wish more people saw it that way. But when people protest… the Old Testament verses are what you hear screamed out. Many of the churches I’ve attended feel free to dip into the old testement for much of their doctrine.

And unfortunately, Jesus agreed with them.

“Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-18)”

“Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: ‘The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.’ (Matthew 23:1-3)”

Now where Jesus expressly contradicts laws in the Old Testament, it’s reasonable to assume his new commands take precedence. That doesn’t mean the old testament is just to be ignored. In fact, in many cases the New Testament reaffirms the violent passages in the old testament.

Remember the one on cursing?

Well here’s what is in Matthew in the new testament:

“For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother’ and ‘Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.’ ”

In fact… Jesus was DIRECTLY supporting that passage in the Old Testament in speaking to the Pharises.

Ron… these texts were written in a different time. There are many examples of hate, violence, death, and poor behavior in the Bible and the Qu’Ran. But the foundation of both books is in peace.

You seem to only be willing to accept this in Christianity… pointing out the “evil” in the Qu’Ran while ignoring the “evil” in the Bible. You have to ignore the evil in both and get down to the root in both religions… peace.

You shouldn’t let misinformed extremists paint the picture for either side.

but to get off their butts and put those people to DEATH.

Why do you see a difference between these passages and Qu’Ran passages I listed? Do you even know what section of the Qu’Ran they are from? Do you know what the surrounding text is of the quotes I listed? I doubt it.

For example:

“If they(those of other religions) leave you alone and offer to make peace with you, God does not allow you to harm them.” (4:90)

Essentially the Qu’Ran says that if someone is attacking you about religion… you can attack them right back. But if they leave you alone… GOD COMMANDS YOU NOT TO HARM THEM.

Islamic extremist groups are not following the words of the Qu’Ran either. But you haven’t bothered investigating it before stating the entire religion is evil. You can’t bear to think that Al Quaeda is to Islam as the IRA is to Christianity. You don’t even have a clue what the platform of the KKK or Aryan Nations ARE… they’re entire existance is based around misinterpretations of the bible and saying that god gives them the rights for those actions…

JUST LIKE AL QUAEDA DOES WITH MISINTERPRETING THE QU’RAN.

Do you know that thousands of Imam’s have spoken out against terrorism? Do you know that thousands support the US war on terror?

Here’s a link to just one single document condemning terror signed by a number of mosques and imams… and there are tons of these. http://islamnewsroom.com/news-mainmenu-28/373-whywedonthear.html

About the same number of Imams support terrorism as Christian priests and ministers support killing abortion doctors… perhaps less. It is an EXTREME MINORITY view in Islam… yet you judge the whole religion on that.

It is EXACTLY like using the IRA or KKK to judge all of Christianity… you’re just too poorly informed to realize it.

Islam does not teach terrorism… and more than Christianity teaches killing anyone who curses. Both are simply some verses that if taken out of context can be used to smear the entire religion. You are doing that with Islam… while defending Christianity from the same sort of characterization.

That’s called hypocrisy.

Have you killed any homosexuals today? The bible gives directions to do so… and that is as clear a fact as the instructions to do violence in the Qu’Ran.

I do feel sorry for you as well. You seem to judge other religions without actually studying what they preach, and you seem to judge me without having a clue what I believe or how I live my life. You seem to judge a lot, but actually know very little about those you judge.

I’ll pray for your soul. Only god knows if you need it… but I have some suspicions.